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Post by Gront on Aug 30, 2009 23:57:22 GMT -5
You both draw finishers, then you're judged, then one becomes "canon" based on who won. That is, diverging reality when the finishing pictures occur
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2009 6:36:17 GMT -5
So wait, were not judged upon how our general grudge was?
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Post by ghost on Aug 31, 2009 6:44:28 GMT -5
So wait, were not judged upon how our general grudge was? I don't think anyone quite said that. I just figured the tallying would occur before the finisher to decide who would GET to do a finisher, because a finisher would contradict itself from both parties.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2009 6:48:17 GMT -5
I don't think anyone quite said that. I just figured the tallying would occur before the finisher to decide who would GET to do a finisher, because a finisher would contradict itself from both parties. See, that's what I was thinking, too. I mean, wouldn't it be easier that way?
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Post by rabiesisme on Aug 31, 2009 7:26:08 GMT -5
I don't think anyone quite said that. I just figured the tallying would occur before the finisher to decide who would GET to do a finisher, because a finisher would contradict itself from both parties. See, that's what I was thinking, too. I mean, wouldn't it be easier that way? Not really. I mean, one of the people would not have to go through the trouble of making a finisher, sure, but it's just awesom er when both people make a finisher containing some badass moves and THEN you choose who the winner is. Yes, they would contradict each other, but only one would be made the official end of the match based on who the winner will be, so I don't see any problem with that. And finally, a finisher can get you the victory if it's good enough. So it should definitely be included in the judging, from both parties.
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Post by CaptainChip on Aug 31, 2009 19:33:28 GMT -5
I don't like this 'Judging' idea.
I think the winner should be decided by who did better combat wise, nothing else.
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Post by Kromax on Aug 31, 2009 19:56:45 GMT -5
I don't like this 'Judging' idea. I think the winner should be decided by who did better combat wise, nothing else. And how do we determine this? By 'Judging' the combat.
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Post by CaptainChip on Aug 31, 2009 20:01:23 GMT -5
I don't like this 'Judging' idea. I think the winner should be decided by who did better combat wise, nothing else. And how do we determine this? By 'Judging' the combat. Yeah, but they're judging by how funny it is, how original it is, how well drawn, and a few others...
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Post by Zarth on Aug 31, 2009 20:06:47 GMT -5
And how do we determine this? By 'Judging' the combat. Yeah, but they're judging by how funny it is, how original it is, how well drawn, and a few others... we are being judged on that. the finisher is just like the icing on the cake (except it has to be put in or you LOSE)
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Post by CaptainChip on Aug 31, 2009 20:16:21 GMT -5
Yeah, but they're judging by how funny it is, how original it is, how well drawn, and a few others... we are being judged on that. the finisher is just like the icing on the cake (except it has to be put in or you LOSE) I know we're being judge on that, and thats what I don't like.
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Post by Zarth on Aug 31, 2009 20:17:47 GMT -5
we are being judged on that. the finisher is just like the icing on the cake (except it has to be put in or you LOSE) I know we're being judge on that, and thats what I don't like. How are they supposed to judge us?
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Post by ghost on Aug 31, 2009 20:24:51 GMT -5
See, that's what I was thinking, too. I mean, wouldn't it be easier that way? Not really. I mean, one of the people would not have to go through the trouble of making a finisher, sure, but it's just awesom er when both people make a finisher containing some badass moves and THEN you choose who the winner is. Yes, they would contradict each other, but only one would be made the official end of the match based on who the winner will be, so I don't see any problem with that. And finally, a finisher can get you the victory if it's good enough. So it should definitely be included in the judging, from both parties. Let me be frank about this. DryChris is a very aggressive stubborn brawler. And I am a very obscure, self-competent one. Neither of us is ready to take mud from the other person, we're going to cancel each other no matter what happens. If I make my finisher first, or vice versa, and I send him into a spike trap or something that impales him, he's going to take that into account, thus HIS picture is going to be TWICE AS BRUTAL as mine, because he'll be offended or feel challenged by what I did. And its the same the other way, for everyone. If he draws a finisher of me getting thrown into the sun, making some snide comment as I would have to him, then I'LL Be challenged and thus my finisher will be TWICE AS BRUTAL. Basically, the person who posts second will have a better chance of winning favor, because THEY get the last hit, and they'll inevitably post in correspondence to how the other finisher happened. Its like this, for as many times as I punch DryChris, he's going to SHORYUKEN me back. We buy semi-automatics, they buy automatics. We start wearing kevlar, they started buying automatic rounds. It would escalate and be UNFAIR to the first finisher, that or the person who was still working on theirs would have to SWEAR not to look at the other one. The best solution for this if you guys are feeling lazy and don't want to be arsed into changing the damn rules is having both users post their COMPLETED FINISHERS at the same time so there can't be any "escalation" or "foulplay" afterwards. However, this is going to clash with some user's times. Myself really, I have about...2 more days of free time before school starts but I don't my work anyway so I've got time to goof off on a picture-finisher-killer (PFK). But you guys...I don't know...yous' all in some shady dealin's what'not, may not have the time to live up to yer' bargains...
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Post by CaptainChip on Aug 31, 2009 20:29:53 GMT -5
I know we're being judge on that, and thats what I don't like. How are they supposed to judge us? Through combat. How much damage you did to the other guy.
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Post by Zarth on Aug 31, 2009 20:35:01 GMT -5
Not really. I mean, one of the people would not have to go through the trouble of making a finisher, sure, but it's just awesom er when both people make a finisher containing some badass moves and THEN you choose who the winner is. Yes, they would contradict each other, but only one would be made the official end of the match based on who the winner will be, so I don't see any problem with that. And finally, a finisher can get you the victory if it's good enough. So it should definitely be included in the judging, from both parties. Let me be frank about this. DryChris is a very aggressive stubborn brawler. And I am a very obscure, self-competent one. Neither of us is ready to take mud from the other person, we're going to cancel each other no matter what happens. If I make my finisher first, or vice versa, and I send him into a spike trap or something that impales him, he's going to take that into account, thus HIS picture is going to be TWICE AS BRUTAL as mine, because he'll be offended or feel challenged by what I did. And its the same the other way, for everyone. If he draws a finisher of me getting thrown into the sun, making some snide comment as I would have to him, then I'LL Be challenged and thus my finisher will be TWICE AS BRUTAL. Basically, the person who posts second will have a better chance of winning favor, because THEY get the last hit, and they'll inevitably post in correspondence to how the other finisher happened. Its like this, for as many times as I punch DryChris, he's going to SHORYUKEN me back. We buy semi-automatics, they buy automatics. We start wearing kevlar, they started buying automatic rounds. It would escalate and be UNFAIR to the first finisher, that or the person who was still working on theirs would have to SWEAR not to look at the other one. The best solution for this if you guys are feeling lazy and don't want to be arsed into changing the damn rules is having both users post their COMPLETED FINISHERS at the same time so there can't be any "escalation" or "foulplay" afterwards. However, this is going to clash with some user's times. Myself really, I have about...2 more days of free time before school starts but I don't my work anyway so I've got time to goof off on a picture-finisher-killer (PFK). But you guys...I don't know...yous' all in some shady dealin's what'not, may not have the time to live up to yer' bargains... Well that can easily be fixed, just have oth members PM the finisher to one of the judge and havehim/her post it for them both at a same time that way neather of them will know what the other did or how brutal it was.
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Post by Gront on Aug 31, 2009 20:35:47 GMT -5
Okay, lemme clear this up, as there seems to be some confusion on the issue:
EACH BRAWLER WILL MAKE THEIR OWN FINISHER. THESE FINISHERS WILL BE A CONTINUATION OF THE LAST ATTACK IN THE "GRUDGING" SECTION. THEY WILL UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE OTHER USER'S FINISHER IF THE OTHER USER HAS POSTED THEIRS FIRST. IF SOMEONE CONTINUES OFF OF THE OTHER PERSON'S FINISHER, THEIR FINISHER WILL BE IGNORED.
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Post by Grimscott on Aug 31, 2009 20:39:38 GMT -5
Okay, lemme clear this up, as there seems to be some confusion on the issue: EACH BRAWLER WILL MAKE THEIR OWN FINISHER. THESE FINISHERS WILL BE A CONTINUATION OF THE LAST ATTACK IN THE "GRUDGING" SECTION. THEY WILL UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE OTHER USER'S FINISHER IF THE OTHER USER HAS POSTED THEIRS FIRST. IF SOMEONE CONTINUES OFF OF THE OTHER PERSON'S FINISHER, THEIR FINISHER WILL BE IGNORED. I actually think Ghost still has a valid point on this, regarding the "second poster will try to hit twice as hard" part. Whether they try to continue from the first person's finisher or not.
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Post by ghost on Aug 31, 2009 20:39:41 GMT -5
Okay, lemme clear this up, as there seems to be some confusion on the issue: EACH BRAWLER WILL MAKE THEIR OWN FINISHER. THESE FINISHERS WILL BE A CONTINUATION OF THE LAST ATTACK IN THE "GRUDGING" SECTION. THEY WILL UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE OTHER USER'S FINISHER IF THE OTHER USER HAS POSTED THEIRS FIRST. IF SOMEONE CONTINUES OFF OF THE OTHER PERSON'S FINISHER, THEIR FINISHER WILL BE IGNORED. Okay, lemme put this in big words because nobody seems to be hearing me correctly, admittedly though that was to be expected: THERE'S NO POINT CONSIDERING THIS COULD BE EASILY SOLVED IF YOU GUYS WOULD JUST JUDGE THE MATCH ITSELF, ITS A WASTE OF SPACE AND BASICALLY MAKES YOU HAVE TO PUT "ALTERNATE UNIVERSE THAT NEVER EXISTED" ON TOP OF IT. WHY BOTHER GOING TO THAT LENGTH WHEN YOU CAN SIMPLY DO IT THE WAY THE ROMANS DID IT, THUMBS UP AND OPPONENT 1 GETS THE FINISHER, OR THUMBS DOWN AND OPPONENT 2 GETS THE FINISHER (not exact...but close enough).
AS I SAID FOR THOSE WHO UNDERSTOOD ME, THE SECOND PERSON WILL ATTEMPT TO GET BACK AT THE ORIGINAL FINISHER WITH A VENGEANCE, WHICH GIVES THEM AN ADVANTAGE IN TERMS OF VOTING.
IF LET'S SAY I'M FIGHTING MCJESUS, AND HE CAUSES THIS BIG EXPLOSION BECAUSE HE USUALLY DOES. WHAT DO YOU THINK I AM GOING TO DO? I NOW KNOW THAT MCJESUS IS OUT OF OPTIONS, HE CAN'T RESPOND BACK TO MY ATTACK AND THERE'S NO CONSEQUENCE TO PULLING OUT "THE BIG GUN" OR "BEING AN IDIOT", AND I KNOW THE LEVEL OF INTENSITY OF THE FINISHER HE MADE THAT I HAVE TO OUTDO IN ORDER TO GET A BETTER SCORE. IF HE POSTS FIRST, I MAKE SOMETHING BETTER, AND IF I DO, HE DOES.
ALSO YOU SHOULD PROBABLY EDIT SOME OF THIS INTO...I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE THE FIRST PAGE SO THERE'S NO NEED FOR CONFUSION, AND MAYBE WHAT BALTO POSTED AS WELL.
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Post by McJesus on Aug 31, 2009 20:43:13 GMT -5
pissing dicktits in a handbasket, just post your finishers at the same time. why in the hell are you all arguing about this now?
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Post by Zarth on Aug 31, 2009 20:45:07 GMT -5
Again. If one member posts their finisher first before the other member and he sees it, he's going to try and make his more brutal or more unique then his opponent. If you want to stop this, just have them both PM the pictures to one of the judges, that judge will wait until he/ she has both finishers, THEN HE/SHE WILL POST IT FOR THE OTHER MODS TO SEE AND JUDGE.
And please shrink your words down guys, theres no need for it. :/
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2009 20:45:41 GMT -5
The fact that the possible loser has to make a picture for nothing kinda is a let-down.
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Post by destructin on Aug 31, 2009 20:51:20 GMT -5
The fact that the possible loser has to make a picture for nothing. Yeah, Snakey has a point here. one match is almost over, Grimscott looks like the sure winner of her match against Mega, but then something unexpected happened, Mega does the most epic picture finish in history, but what for, his other pics were complete shit, so who wins? will it be by the finisher, or what happened before. Also, if the loser is surely to lose, then why does he need to bother making a finisher, when its pretty obvious who will win. (yes, a mod is asking questions about the judging, power to the people!)
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Post by ghost on Aug 31, 2009 20:51:58 GMT -5
pissing dicktits in a handbasket, just post your finishers at the same time. why in the hell are you all arguing about this now? Third Bypass Brawl Whoppers squirting blood on newborn babies, man! Why in the hell are you not listening? My solution is even SIMPLER than waiting ANOTHER two weeks for two finishers, one of which will be rendered COMPLETELY pointless if that person who drew it loses. Save YOURSELVES the time if nothing else. Its not like you have to find the cure for the common cold, all you have to do is do your job two weeks earlier than you WOULD have.
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Post by Gront on Aug 31, 2009 21:05:02 GMT -5
You may post your finisher whenever you like during the two week period. If you don't want your opponent trying to outdo you, wait til the last hour or so. Not that difficult.
Finishers will be factored into the judging, but they will not comprise all of the judging.
If someone is sure they will lose, they don't have to make a finisher. As for the letdown, well... do your best and at least you'll have made a good piece of art.
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Post by Zarth on Aug 31, 2009 21:08:20 GMT -5
Just rate the matches as a hole, who cares if mega's finisher was epic, he still drew shit pics during the match and should be peanalized for it.
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Post by CaptainChip on Aug 31, 2009 21:15:00 GMT -5
Just rate the matches as a hole, who cares if mega's finisher was epic, he still drew shit pics during the match and should be peanalized for it. And again, I don't think artistic ability should be judged. We should just judge combat, and that's it.
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Post by Gront on Aug 31, 2009 21:20:25 GMT -5
Just rate the matches as a hole, who cares if mega's finisher was epic, he still drew shit pics during the match and should be peanalized for it. And again, I don't think artistic ability should be judged. We should just judge combat, and that's it. Combat is a major part of SPB, but it's not all of it. That being said, if you'll notice, the categories being judged are: Artistic effort is really the only "art" category, and it's based off of effort put in; that is, we'll be judging that category by comparing your tournament pics to other works you've done). Also, why the hell is everyone bringing all this up NOW? Couldn't we have talked about this earlier?
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Post by McJesus on Aug 31, 2009 21:22:30 GMT -5
Just rate the matches as a hole, who cares if mega's finisher was epic, he still drew shit pics during the match and should be peanalized for it. That was always going to happen. Didn't we say that?
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Post by rabiesisme on Sept 1, 2009 0:22:36 GMT -5
Grent's right. If we rate matches based on "damage done", it'd be a simple one-upping mess of crap. Ken would be the best brawler in the world. There's no room for creativity, just go "oh well, i'll just tear this arm off and that hurts a lot. i'm rad". I really hate that.
And I still say both people make a finisher. If you KNOW you're gonna lose, then don't bother. If you don't want to spend the time, don't. If it's a really close match, the finishers can be deciding since they usually inspire you to do the best you can do.
And finally, I think Zarth had it right when he said "PM your finisher to a mod and have them post it simultaneously." You guys should consider that instead of having to wait until the last hour or so. Some guy could say he had no chance to post and be secretely working on improving his after he saw the other finisher, but then again he COULD be telling the truth.
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Post by Zarth on Sept 2, 2009 15:11:04 GMT -5
I'm just wondering, have the final attack phase of the first round started yet?? I lost track of time :/
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Post by Hat Salesman on Sept 2, 2009 17:05:32 GMT -5
Again. If one member posts their finisher first before the other member and he sees it, he's going to try and make his more brutal or more unique then his opponent. If you want to stop this, just have them both PM the pictures to one of the judges, that judge will wait until he/ she has both finishers, THEN HE/SHE WILL POST IT FOR THE OTHER MODS TO SEE AND JUDGE. And please shrink your words down guys, theres no need for it. :/ For once, we agree.
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