Grimdark Pokemon Conversational Threaddd

[Candy Biu]

It's that time again, SPB. I'm gonna try another RP. This time, however, it won't revolve around SPB itself. I'm thinking of doing a grimdark/creepypasta(horror) Pokemon RP. Firstly, are you interested? Second, any questions? Third, any ideas?

I'll give out more information if enough people are interested.

[Metal Chao]

I was literally just reading this and thinking "man pokemon is awesome, now I'm looking forward to the next one"
Are you some kind of cyber psychic

Yes I am interested

[Candy Biu]

I was literally just reading LostSilver, a pokemon creepypasta. And the past couple of days have been idea times for me, with lots of pokemon because of a pokemon picture month thing on facebook

[Candy Biu]

Update! I've been talking to a few of you outside SPB about this and I feel I have enough interest that I can release a bit more information without it going to waste.

Pokemon:
This RP will more than likely encompass Generations I and II. III, IV, and V will be left out, unless popular request shows that everyone wants Generations III and/or IV included. Since V is not released in English, and as such, I do not have a good understanding of its Pokemon, it will not be included, no matter what.

Characters
There are two major routes I can go:
1) The characters are newbie trainers with freshly caught/acquired Pokemon. They go on for a little while before shit hits the fan and everything takes a turn for the worse. A bit more freeform and easier for me to try and get into the mental horror aspect.

2) In a much more grimdark and serious setting (still Johto/Kanto), players are new recruits to Team Rocket, and go around terrorizing the world. Much stricter plot with a greater focus on a "-punk" setting. Less mental horror and more players wreaking havoc.

Mechanics
A merger between the games and the anime with some details taken from the Adventures manga. Depending on the amount of players, the system I use will change. It may run on a system as close to the games as possible (this is going to be one for very few players), a simpler dice system (for probably no more than 5 players - dice are a lot of work with more than a couple stats), or what I'm most used to - a logic system, where either I or other players dictate what does or does not fly.

World
More than likely Johto/Kanto, modified to be quite grimdark. Depending on which route is chosen dictates what may or may not happen. Legendary Pokemon become super-powered machines of death and destruction sought after by the evils of the world. Pokemon can and will die, etc.,.

[Grimscott]

Dec 4, 2010 23:47:16 GMT -5 Candy Biu said:

1) The characters are newbie trainers with freshly caught/acquired Pokemon. They go on for a little while before shit hits the fan and everything takes a turn for the worse. A bit more freeform and easier for me to try and get into the mental horror aspect.

I think I gotta go for this.

[Icebrigade]

I think I might also join this, it sounds fun.

[Candy Biu]

HOKAY

People are asking me about how things will work in the beginning.

You start with ONE (1) Pokemon. No more.

Pokemon that are not allowed as starters:
Legendaries
Unique Pokemon (region starters do not count as unique)
Final evolutions (there are a few, rare exceptions, like beedrill or butterfree)

Everything else is either going to be ok or just run it by me. If you think something may be "overpowered" to start with, it may not be a good idea to start with it. Use your best judgement.

Now, that's the start of the RP. If we progress well, you will be allowed to evolve your pokemon and capture/acquire more pokemon.

[Candy Biu]

IMPORTANT STUFF:

I need your opinions, since this is likely going to happen.

What generations do you want?
Should I leave this as Gen I/II? Would you prefer just Gen I? What about the inclusion of III and/or IV?

Which "plot" do you want?
Do you want a more (hint: more is a keyword, do not ignore it!) free-form, free-roaming RP where things may start out good, but shit hits the fan?

Do you want a more (hint: more is a keyword, do not ignore it!) strictly run, plot focused RP where you play as Team Rocket members, fucking shit up (possibly for the greater good)?

Either way with the plot, the world is more than likely going to be exactly the same. I will provide the full information, but in the first choice, I will need you to remember that your character will probably not know the information that you know. You will need to play accordingly. Also remember that you're likely going to be a child, much like in the games and supposedly in the anime - roughly 9 to 11 years old. I may also make the players teenagers. I'm not sure right now.

How fast would you like me to try to pace the RP?
This goes rather hand in hand with the plot you choose. Do you want me to try to just churn out plot arcs, get them done with, and move on? Or would you rather I take it a little slower and make sure the plot is solid, makes sense, and that things tie in to previous plot points?

Candy Biu used Doubleslap!
It hit 2 times!

[Grimscott]

OKAY CANDY HERE ARE MY YUMMYLICIOUS OPINIONS ASCHIMNIONS

- Generations 1 and 2
- Free-form where it starts out all nice and stuff. Because I guess part of me prefers breaking the cutie as opposed to starting off with an evil bastard. Uh.
- I wanna say 11 or 12 years old, age-wise. Teenagers. 14-16 whatever.
- Plot pace, don't really care. Tying things together would be cool though. (The latter)



Reason for Editing: ayup

[Candy Biu]

GRIM STOP TRYING TO CONTROL EVERYTHING

TRAINERS GONNA TRAIN

SPOILER: Click to show

[Icebrigade]

Tactical Opinions inbound


1.) Generations 1 and 2, maybe 3 if anyone else felt like it
2.) Free form definitely, completely plot based can be a bit restrictive at times
3.) 11 to 13 years old would be good, normal age in the game is probably in that range.


Opinions deployed

[Shackles]

Dec 5, 2010 0:23:54 GMT -5 Candy Biu said:

IMPORTANT STUFF:

What generations do you want?
I like both Gen I and II, maybe III, but definitely do not include IV

Which "plot" do you want?
I'd personally rather play as the trainers, because it allows more variety for characters, and you can also battle with other people.

How fast would you like me to try to pace the RP?
Definitely go nice and slow. It's hard to get immersed into the RP and get into character if everything is accomplished too quickly.

[Hat Salesman]

1: I never even looked at generation 4, but I grew up on 1, 2, and 3.
2: I suggest freeform, but with some incentive for at least loosely following the plot. Perhaps a carrot on a stick deal?
3: I'd say 10-13 is good.
4: Quality > Quantity.

[Metal Chao]

I like all of them to be honest, I think II was actually the least interesting but if you want to limit it to the first two I don't really care.
Freeform sounds a bit cooler because while being team rocket could be fun, just doing things for the evulz is not a very good character motivation.
10-13 is more used in the anime and stuff but I think it would make sense to be at least slightly older than that, 14-16 maybe. Who sends ten year old kids out into the world on their own? Also the younger they are the creepier it has to have bad things happen, and if they're too young then it's too creepy

[Gront]

Dec 5, 2010 0:23:54 GMT -5 Candy Biu said:

What generations do you want?
Should I leave this as Gen I/II? Would you prefer just Gen I? What about the inclusion of III and/or IV?

Gen I/II. Fuck Gen III and beyond.

Dec 5, 2010 0:23:54 GMT -5 Candy Biu said:

Which "plot" do you want?
Do you want a more (hint: more is a keyword, do not ignore it!) free-form, free-roaming RP where things may start out good, but shit hits the fan?

Do you want a more (hint: more is a keyword, do not ignore it!) strictly run, plot focused RP where you play as Team Rocket members, fucking shit up (possibly for the greater good)?

I would prefer fighting against Team Rocket, simply because I can't get over how fail they were in the games, and I'd rather not be associated with that organization.

Dec 5, 2010 0:23:54 GMT -5 Candy Biu said:

How fast would you like me to try to pace the RP?
This goes rather hand in hand with the plot you choose. Do you want me to try to just churn out plot arcs, get them done with, and move on? Or would you rather I take it a little slower and make sure the plot is solid, makes sense, and that things tie in to previous plot points?

I vote you make it quick so that we keep the pace up. Try to think ahead, but I don't want this to die off like the last one.

Oh, and I say teenagers for the ages if you're gonna try to make this darker and edgier. Also, can we pick our starters out of any available pokemon? PLEEEEASE?

[Grimscott]

Annnnnnnnd you guys are having good points on using teenager trainers. Consider me convinced.

Dec 5, 2010 17:28:31 GMT -5 Gront said:

Also, can we pick our starters? PLEEEEASE?

We can.

Dec 5, 2010 0:11:01 GMT -5 Candy Biu said:

You start with ONE (1) Pokemon. No more.

Pokemon that are not allowed as starters:
Legendaries
Unique Pokemon (region starters do not count as unique)
Final evolutions (there are a few, rare exceptions, like beedrill or butterfree)

Everything else is either going to be ok or just run it by me. If you think something may be "overpowered" to start with, it may not be a good idea to start with it. Use your best judgement.

Now, that's the start of the RP. If we progress well, you will be allowed to evolve your pokemon and capture/acquire more pokemon.

I meant let those be the only restrictions. I kind of clarified it but whatever. Also get on MSN.

[Candy Biu]

Dec 5, 2010 17:28:31 GMT -5 Gront said:

Also, can we pick our starters out of any available pokemon? PLEEEEASE?

NO YOU ALL START WITH WILD METAPOD/KAKUNA

HARDEN SPAM ONLY

[Hat Salesman]

Yeah, I'm convinced about the teenager thing too. Small children as PCs would fall into the creepy category no one wants to be a part of.

[Candy Biu]

changed the title

[Candy Biu]

IMPORTANT STUFF, PART II:
So after a discussion with someone that really loves dice RP and hates diceless RP, I've pretty much decided I'm going to do a dice RP again. However, so that I don't get overwhelmed with you guys posting a million times before I can actually post, I'm more than likely going to run off initiative. I'm going to be looking into using actual stats from Pokemon and using that as a gauge for everyone's initiative.

What that means:
Everybody can no longer post all at once. I get too overwhelmed too quickly and this means a lower quality RP overall. During combat, or other times where there are going to be a lot of die rolls, there will be a pre-determined (well, determined at the beginning of the time of lots of rolls), and you are not allowed to post in character during this time. You will simply have to wait your turn.

However, I will be instituting a time limit. If things are going slow, this may be as many as two or three days. If things are moving and everyone is online, I may lower this to as little as a single hour (unless you contact me that you need to go, at which point I can give you extra time, or I'll let people now things are slowing down for the day).

[Candy Biu]

Not as important yet still important stuff:
So, with the theme decided, I need some input. Where do you all want to start? Like, what city? I can either follow a "strict" guideline set out by the games and force you to start in either Viridian or Pallet, or I can be a little nicer and let you pick and choose, changing each route and Gym Leader (if you decide to fight the gym leaders) to fit your Pokémons' "levels".

Addendum: I'll likely still use the game as a basis for which Pokémon can and can't be found on each route. They'll, of course, be curved to your Pokémons level.

Some general world information:
Roughly a decade after Red's triumph over the Elite Four (about 7 after Gold's), the Elite Four and all Gyms were spontaneously and inexplicably shut down. No more trainers could gather the badges to take on the League. Society quickly collapsed, with no real reason to capture and train Pokémon. And while society plummeted, Pokémon undulated between a thriving, overpopulated mess, to nearly going extinct. Policing forces were quickly set up simply to keep the wild Pokémon from entering society and wreaking havoc. It took another 3 years before the Elite Four would resurface as "E4"... only to seize control over all of society. Things looked up, until the E4 began to watch and regulate all aspects of society quite tightly. Propaganda quickly spread, with posters plastered with the phrase "The Champion is Always Watching". Most people forced themselves to overlook the new regime and moved on with life, telling themselves nothing would change.

It didn't take Team Rocket long to follow suit....

[Gront]

HURRY UP I WANNA PLAAAAAAAAAAAAY.

[Shackles]

Dec 8, 2010 23:29:07 GMT -5 Candy Biu said:

So, with the theme decided, I need some input. Where do you all want to start? Like, what city? I can either follow a "strict" guideline set out by the games and force you to start in either Viridian or Pallet, or I can be a little nicer and let you pick and choose, changing each route and Gym Leader (if you decide to fight the gym leaders) to fit your Pokémons'.

I think it'd be good if we could choose where we start, that way if we want our starter to be a wild Pokemon we can pick an area near it.

[Candy Biu]

The thing is is that I'd honestly rather not deal with a dozen disconnected storylines, trying to get all of them to merge and whatnot. It'd be a lot easier if I could instead pick a location for everyone to start (or conversely, have everyone agree on a single location), and have a sort of group of friends that can adventure together.

Also, I had an idea where *spoiler* would be giving out Pokémon to young, aspiring Trainers, and would lead you to *spoilers*, which would work like *spoiler* and let you capture a Pokémon that fits the criteria I allow.

One thing Grent brought up about the RP. Will Pokémon simply faint like in the games, or, because of the grimdark nature, will Pokémon die? More than likely, if an attack places you between 15% (subject to change) and 1 health, your Pokémon will faint. However, if you're reduced from 16% health (or higher) to 0 in one move, your Pokémon will die.

[Gront]

My character will be the antithesis of your entire universe, Candy. Just you wait.

[John12346]

I wouldn't mind Gen 3 in there alongside 1 and 2. There were some gems of Pokemon in that series.

Plot should be vs Team Rocket.

As far as speed of plot, that should just be left as a judgment call to you. Check out people's responses during the RP and guage when you'll need to advance the plot.

And the starting area should be an ambiguous area, where a lot of different Pokemon are available, like Pal Park or the Safari Zone.

[Hat Salesman]

Now we have to agree on a starting town. I suggest Saffron City or the routes/paths stemming from it, simply because it would let the story move in any direction.

[Candy Biu]

Despite how great that could be for allowing the players to be free to choose where they go, Saffron city is very much an end-game sort of city. In the anime, manga, and games, it's a city that's gotten to rather late in the series. I realize that it'd probably be a good idea to let you all pick and choose, but after talking with a few people and mulling over it, I think I have a decent idea as to what I'm going to do for starting everyone off.

A note for those already designing characters: Unless you can convince me otherwise, I'm going to be making you get the Pokémon at the beginning of the RP. That means no pet Pokémon, no previous bonding, etc.,. I am also going to be limiting the available start pool down to Kanto-only Pokémon, on top of the previous restrictions. I'll write up a list of Pokémon and Pokémon evolutionary chains that are not going to be allowed as starters.

Now, this does not mean you cannot get Johto Pokémon later on, or that you will be unable to get that "final" Pokémon you want - including Legendaries, unique Pokémon, etc.,.

Continuing world information:
Team Rocket sat dormant for the seven years after Gold dismantled them a second time, idly biding their time as they had done three years prior. However, a new leader would snap up the reins to the gang, taking his missing father's stead. Silver, son of Giovanni, would reunite the people and protect Kanto from devestation at the hands of E4. However, his methods were unorthodox. Team Rocket became "TR" under Silver's rule, and adopted the motto, "Freedom through Chaos". It didn't take long for the gang to take over Silph once more, seizing it from the E4. Once more Saffron fell under TR's rule. It is said that Silver has sent out spies to search for his father, although for unknown reasons. Some suspect he wishes for them to rule side-by-side, while others gossip that he wishes to end the old man's life.

[Candy Biu]

Pokémon you are not allowed to start with:
1) Any evolved form of a Pokémon.
1a) Pokémon exempt from this rule are the Caterpie and Weedle lines.
1b) For Pokémon like Magikarp and Abra, who normally don't learn any damaging moves until after evolution, I can make a special moveset that allows these Pokémon to be useful.
2) "Unique" Pokémon.
2a) "Unique" Pokémon includes Legendaries (as all Legendaries are unique).
3) Pokémon from Johto (152 Chikorita - 251 Celebi)

Unique Pokémon currently includes:
108 Lickitung
115 Kangaskahn
122 Mr. Mime
123 Scyther
124 Jynx
125 Electabuzz
126 Magmar
127 Pinsir
128 Tauros
131 Lapras
137 Porygon
138 Omanyte
140 Kabuto
142 Aerodactyl
143 Snorlax
147 Dratini (sorry grent)

Naturally, if a Pokémon is not on the "Unique" list, it more than likely falls under another category, such as evolved or Legendary.

I am open to discussing which Pokémon should be or should not be allowed as starters. Most Pokémon currently on the list are evolved, Legendaries, pseudo-Legendaries, Pokémon unique to the Safari Zone, or Pokémon that required trades in the games.

[John12346]

Well, as long as I have a chance to get a different Pokemon from a later generation in the future, I guess it's okay. You might wanna add Ditto to that list of uniques, btw.

No Gen 3, though? D: