MFW MSPB

[SwordKill]

I still have this place bookmarked. So much ancient awesome.

[Norville "Bourbon" Rogers]

omg it's swordkill

[Bulet]

Generic "Man I miss this place" thread #1234

but yeah i know what you mean

[destructin]

This is like the hundredth time you do this man.

[Shackles]

Apparently your blind nostalgia and moping about how dead this place is deserved its own thread. Actually, why don't we let the other 35 people who constantly complain about how slow SPB is to make their own threads? Why keep it all in the random thread where it belongs? And it'd definitely be way too much to ask that you type more than a sentence and a half for the original post, (even though this course of action was clearly extremely well thought-out) wouldn't it?

Sarcasm aside, seriously, shut up. The Random Thread's purpose for existing is to corral people who aren't planning on doing anything productive into a central area where they can socialize. If half the people who just come on here and bitch all day about how slow this place is actually drew something once in a while, this place would be hugely more active.



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[SwordKill]

Lol yeah I guess i do this a lot. Oh well, blind nostalgia it is.

But Shackles, stop pretending it's anything more than a rabble of chums.
"The Random Thread's purpose for existing is to corral people who aren't planning on doing anything productive into a central area where they can socialize."
It sounds as though you're implying this place is a sprawling community, when it's more like a bro's secret club. Especially now, when there hasn't been a grudge match post in a month, and I could probably count the number of active users on my two hands.

Why be formal and systematic? What made the MS Paint Brawl great was simple idiotic wingit improvisations. It was snappy and nobody built a freaking hierarchy or planned a video game. My post is pretty much the old brawling way.

Remember the 2007 thread? It's probly still on the front page of the Main Arena. That was a fucking riot because it was the old ways. It's been five fucking years, maybe it's time to let go. If you're into the art aspect of mspb, go in that direction and go draw some awesome comics or something. Create visual fiction, perhaps. If you just like it cause it's a bros' club of bros, meet irl and hang out. Or play Vidya, that's what most of us do these days.

But this is turning into a "ZOMG!!! THIS PLACE IS GONNA DIE!!!" thread. I'm just saiyan all good things must come to an end - and I salute it. Thus the Big Boss image.

;-;7

[Shackles]

Mar 14, 2012 16:28:00 GMT -5 SwordKill said:

But this is turning into a "ZOMG!!! THIS PLACE IS GONNA DIE!!!" thread. I'm just saiyan all good things must come to an end - and I salute it. Thus the Big Boss image.

;-;7

I'm not being an elitist dick and saying that you should all be HURRDURR DRAW BETTER, I'm saying that it's pointless to make countless threads and posts being nostalgic about how great it used to be and how dead it is now when all of the people saying things like that are partly at fault just by not participating and only coming around to preach about how awesome it was back in 2007 when nobody gave a shit and just posted every half-hour. Everybody gets the message. Everybody wishes it was more active here. It's only worsening the situation when there's a large handful of people who come on here EXCLUSIVELY to post about OH THE EARLY DAYS OF SPB, SUCH A WONDERFUL AND IRREPLACEABLE YEAR AND A HALF! This is a drawing roleplay forum, and nobody is going to verbally rape you if you just draw the way you want to. If you liked the way it was when people just drew stuff quickly and posted within an hour of the previous person, then do that, nothing is stopping you, but flooding the place with posts about how slow it is and how great everything was years ago vs. how slow and boring it is now is having a negative effect.

Edit: Also, this STARTED as a "ZOMG!!! THIS PLACE IS GONNA DIE!!!" thread.

Mar 14, 2012 16:28:00 GMT -5 SwordKill said:

But Shackles, stop pretending it's anything more than a rabble of chums.

I am not pretending shit. SPB may be a small community, and I probably know 99% of the users on here personally, just as most people do, but it would be nothing less than a step into complete mental retardation to just start throwing new threads around with topics that could easily fit within the random thread. Seriously, do you have any idea how many people have posted over and over and over about how dead this place is in there? Go there if you want to keep whining about how dead SPB is there and how it'll never return to its former glory.

Mar 14, 2012 16:28:00 GMT -5 SwordKill said:

"The Random Thread's purpose for existing is to corral people who aren't planning on doing anything productive into a central area where they can socialize."
It sounds as though you're implying this place is a sprawling community, when it's more like a bro's secret club. Especially now, when there hasn't been a grudge match post in a month, and I could probably count the number of active users on my two hands

No, I'm IMPLYING that flooding the chat section with your stupid threads that consist of one or two sentences is the exact reason that the Random Thread exists. If every time someone thought up a new topic to socialize about made a thread about it, we'd get a new Chit-Chat thread every day that'd get 3 or 4 posts then die. Seriously, didn't you learn about this when people were yelling at you about making a thread where you just said you were posting from your new iPod?

Mar 14, 2012 16:28:00 GMT -5 SwordKill said:

Why be formal and systematic? What made the MS Paint Brawl great was simple idiotic wingit improvisations. It was snappy and nobody built a freaking hierarchy or planned a video game. My post is pretty much the old brawling way.

BLOO BLOO PEOPLE ARE ALL PUTTING EFFORT INTO THEIR DRAWINGS AND I FEEL LEFT OUT BECAUSE I'M ONLY WILLING TO DRAW A PICTURE THAT TAKES TWENTY MINUTES OUT OF MY DAY. Grow up, seriously. You're in an art community, it doesn't count as a 'hierarchy' when people are encouraging others to put time and effort into what they do. If you're referring to the Artist Rankings thread, that was deleted a long time ago. Also, are you seriously complaining about the SPB Game? Even if nobody could actually animate for that, what is wrong with a community of people who make art trying to collaborate on a project? Seriously, you and your 'secret bro club' are obviously making an active effort to discourage people from getting better at drawing. You only come around here to bitch and moan about how great SPB was when nobody put time into their drawings, then make threads about putting no effort into your drawings. You're welcome to draw however you want, but it is absolutely pathetic to discourage artists from putting time and effort into their work just because you miss it when 3 people could fill up a 5 page thread in a couple of days or when everyone was at the same general level in terms of drawing. You act like posting 30-minute drawings is the solution to the inactivity, but honestly that is a steaming pile of crap. Yeah, we could have tons and tons of threads with tons and tons of pages if we had like 5 people alternating between posting completely effortless doodles all day, but that's not the same as having an actual community of people who want to grow as artists and have fun doing character roleplaying.

[destructin]

Come on SK, we definitely did not want SPB to be a secret, what everyone wanted was to grow as a community, we wanted to advertise the place so people can know about it. Also, this secret bro club that plays vidya all day and hangs out irl just sounds like you, spawner, bulet, and virus. SPB is what shackles said, a comic based roleplaying forum, and if people actually followed that, it could be still be more active than it is now.

Also, the 2007 thread is just you spawner, bulet, and virus quick posting again and again.

My views of SPB are completely the opposite of yours. When I first joined spb, I of course shit posted pics, but as time went by, I took my time with drawing and steadily improved, I wouldn't have been the same if I haven't joined. I don't see spb as a place to quickly post pictures again and again or just ignore the rp side of things, I see SPB as a place to make comics and use your creativity to make it funny or make it have alot of action. To make the comics appealing to the eye and make people excited to post the next one. This is how I see SPB, not a secluded secret club that should never try anything but just be secluded.

[Norville "Bourbon" Rogers]

When i first joined, i was told NOT to advertise SPB.

[DJGrandPa]

I found this to be a good community, and I liked the idea behind it, but, as a newcomer, I'm not as biased on this, can I can say that the fact that people have been putting effort into drawings is not the reason for the recent decline. Hell, about a year ago, this exact same things was happening, then some people (instead of just complaining) started drawing new shit and got everyone to start drawing more too.

Also, the 2007 thread is not some sort of holy place which have magically been rescurected on the site, you are blinded by nostalgia, I dont care that you are, but try to accept it at least.

[SwordKill]

[SwordKill]

But I see your point, even though it was fueled by buttfrustration.
VERY WELL
I shall once more disappear into the shadows and return in a few months with another thread identical to this.

[ghost]

Ahahaahahaha hehehe hhehehehe....


AHAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA-! HAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!

XD

Good fucking times, Swordkill. GFG.

[SwordKill]

wat

[destructin]

Mar 15, 2012 10:36:50 GMT -5 SwordKill said:

But I see your point, even though it was fueled by buttfrustration.
VERY WELL
I shall once more disappear into the shadows and return in a few months with another thread identical to this.

Erggh, shackles is just pissed because all he sees is "I MISS THIS PLACE" or "THIS PLACE IS DYING/DEAD LOL" threads, all he wants is people to just participate in the main arena or grudge matches. Don't hide in the shadows again, this is what stopped you from either improving in art, or just plain participating. Y'know, you may remember the times at 2007, and early proboards. But I remember times like Newbs vs Vets, and Red Vs Blue, which I never saw you in because you hid in the shadows. You know, if you miss this place so much, try to participate this time around, tell your secret club too!

Mar 15, 2012 7:07:50 GMT -5 Norville "Bourbon" Rogers said:

When i first joined, i was told NOT to advertise SPB.

No, you were told not to advertise this place on FacePunch, since it's full of trolls and idiots.

[Deadly Virus]

I'd love to see this place become active again, but without a conscious effort from everyone I don't see it happening. But eh, doesn't matter really. As long as the site is still here, anyone can jump back into a brawl at any time. The 2007 thread came out of nowhere, and I've had immense fun with it.

Basically, just stop giving a shit about activity and it'll stop being an issue. Too many communities get torn apart because of this sort of thing.

[SwordKill]

Mar 15, 2012 17:03:27 GMT -5 Deadly Virus said:

Basically, just stop giving a shit about activity and it'll stop being an issue. Too many communities get torn apart because of this sort of thing.

Ay, we've seen it firsthand.
Thrice.

[Deadly Virus]

Mar 15, 2012 17:10:29 GMT -5 SwordKill said:

Mar 15, 2012 17:03:27 GMT -5 Deadly Virus said:

Basically, just stop giving a shit about activity and it'll stop being an issue. Too many communities get torn apart because of this sort of thing.

Ay, we've seen it firsthand.
Thrice.

Cheesecake and... ?

[Spawner]

I reckon half the problem is that we've all been around for a really long time now, and you're all getting tired. If you guys want to get the place up and running again and being awesome like it used to, we need some fresh meat, new members. Advertising.

I told my friend ElveUK where my Steam name came from and he was intrigued right away and was amused by how hilarious the 2007 thread is. He signed up right away. See, it's not hard to get new people in here since SPB is such an amazing idea. You just have to tell people about it.

I think I prefer how things are in the 2007 thread, I don't have to try very hard and the quickly drawn bad art style makes it funny, and I'd rather quickly get pictures out laughing my ass off having loads of fun than being super super cereal in the other threads. In there, it's also easier for people to just jump in. If Swordkill didn't make a thread where I purposly drew badly I doubt I'd even be here writing this. In the 2007 thread, no one is going to be intimidated by how well you guys draw sometimes. I don't want to get back into drawing really nicely and doing some serious roleplay story stuff, I'd much rather just draw quick and have fun and laughs.

I've never seen SPB as an art community, I've seen it as a bunch of friends who just have fun drawing their guy kicking the shit out of the other guy, some people draw awesome pictures, and I'm still impressed by them, I can still draw,

But I don't find it as fun or as hilarious as the shit that goes down in the 2007 thread. I like it because I don't have to spend forever drawing or getting deeply involved in the story, I can just turn up and get a picture out in like 10 minutes. I'm having fun in there.

I understand that Shackles is pissed by the I MISS YOU GUYS and the MSPB IS DEAD/DYING THREADS. I can see why, it must be annoying seeing those while you're still around and it's not dead to you, but I don't really care how strongly you believe it's not dead or dying, because as someone who hasn't been around for years, I KNOW it's either dead or dying. And that upsets me, I don't want to see it die, but there's so few or you now, like Swordkill said, I could probably count all the people who still post here on my fingers. If you hate those threads, then do something about it, get the word out, tell people. [glow=red,2,300]Advertise.[/glow]

[Shackles]

Mar 16, 2012 8:00:47 GMT -5 Spawner said:

I reckon half the problem is that we've all been around for a really long time now, and you're all getting tired. If you guys want to get the place up and running again and being awesome like it used to, we need some fresh meat, new members. Advertising.

I told my friend ElveUK where my Steam name came from and he was intrigued right away and was amused by how hilarious the 2007 thread is. He signed up right away. See, it's not hard to get new people in here since SPB is such an amazing idea. You just have to tell people about it.

We've all been around for a really long time? No. You guys were active users in like 2007 and maybe a bit of 2008. By the time Destructin and Grent were showing up, you dudes were gone. You have not been regular users for 3-4 years. We do advertise. Tons of people I know from SPB always have SPB linked on other forum accounts, or have it linked in their taglines on messengers. Destructin advertises all the time on other forums, we got a new member a few weeks ago from FluidAnims that way. A while ago we even got a decent amount of members from Facepunch but that sort of ended in disaster because most of the people from the Facepunch MSPaint section are idiots, like Des said.

Mar 16, 2012 8:00:47 GMT -5 Spawner said:

I think I prefer how things are in the 2007 thread, I don't have to try very hard and the quickly drawn bad art style makes it funny, and I'd rather quickly get pictures out laughing my ass off having loads of fun than being super super cereal in the other threads. In there, it's also easier for people to just jump in. If Swordkill didn't make a thread where I purposly drew badly I doubt I'd even be here writing this. In the 2007 thread, no one is going to be intimidated by how well you guys draw sometimes. I don't want to get back into drawing really nicely and doing some serious roleplay story stuff, I'd much rather just draw quick and have fun and laughs.

You're welcome to draw however you want, as I said before. Nobody will judge you if you draw stickmen or if you draw really quickly. But, just being on the internet in general, you have to get used to seeing people who are better artists than you. If you just hide from that and make threads so that everyone has to bring their art down to a level that you're comfortable with, then you're not even really taking part in the community.

Mar 16, 2012 8:00:47 GMT -5 Spawner said:

I've never seen SPB as an art community, I've seen it as a bunch of friends who just have fun drawing their guy kicking the shit out of the other guy, some people draw awesome pictures, and I'm still impressed by them, I can still draw,

SPB is an art community. It has always been an art community. People on SPB have always been getting better at drawing and working on their art to get better. That's why so many veterans and old members at this point have a much, much higher level of skill in drawing from when they started here. They care about their drawings. Yes, it started out where everyone was just drawing stickmen with accessories on them beating eachother up, but the community was never static in the general progression of their art skills. Maybe you guys felt like that, but even in the early days of SPB people were pushing themselves to get better.

Mar 16, 2012 8:00:47 GMT -5 Spawner said:

But I don't find it as fun or as hilarious as the shit that goes down in the 2007 thread. I like it because I don't have to spend forever drawing or getting deeply involved in the story, I can just turn up and get a picture out in like 10 minutes. I'm having fun in there.

Do you know how rare it is for us to get 'deeply involved' in the story of a thread? City-Wide is the first actually story-driven thread we've had since the zombie thread. Tons of threads were just about drawing quickly and getting things over with, but that didn't mean drawing with as little effort in as little time as possible. Just look at 1 Week Battle, it was the longest Main Arena thread and there were usually plenty of people participating, but that didn't always mean putting their absolute minimum effort into all their drawings. The 2007 thread is not a gigantic fun riot where everybody on SPB is jumping in and beating eachother up. It's you, Swordkill, Bulet, and Virus posting really quickly with a few other people occasionally throwing something in.

Mar 16, 2012 8:00:47 GMT -5 Spawner said:

I understand that Shackles is pissed by the I MISS YOU GUYS and the MSPB IS DEAD/DYING THREADS. I can see why, it must be annoying seeing those while you're still around and it's not dead to you, but I don't really care how strongly you believe it's not dead or dying, because as someone who hasn't been around for years, I KNOW it's either dead or dying. And that upsets me, I don't want to see it die, but there's so few or you now, like Swordkill said, I could probably count all the people who still post here on my fingers. If you hate those threads, then do something about it, get the word out, tell people. [glow=red,2,300]Advertise.[/glow]

Alright, first of all, do not put words into my mouth. I know this place is dead just as much as anybody else. However, unlike you dudes, that doesn't mean I come around here to wallow in nostalgia for the old days of SPB, because that is just as unrealistic and pathetic as believing this place is still alive and running. You are acting like getting one member here gives you the authority to tell everybody else to get up and do something. There are plenty of people making an effort to bring this place back, and they've been around trying to support SPB and keep it going for years while you guys just disappeared into the shadows.

[Bulet]

Alright buckle up, if you care you'll read this whole thing. It's a convo between me, Virus, Spawner, Shackles and Des about the website. There is no TL;DR


Never tell your password to anyone.
Bulet: So what do you think of what Spawner said
Dangerous<33: uhh dunno just woke up
Bulet: Aight read it when you're ready
Bulet: It's a good read
Dangerous<33: Yeah he's full of shit too
Dangerous<33: he's just repeating everything SK said
Bulet: huh
Bulet: No he's not
Bulet: SK is a tool when it comes to talking
Bulet: Spawner atleast said it in a good way
Dangerous<33: Well somewhat, but he's just doing the "OH SPB ISN'T AN ART COMMUNITY IT'S OUR SPECIAL SECRET BRO CLUB"
Bulet: No
Bulet: He just says "We aren't super serious artists who do this shit by some code"
Bulet: He means we're laid back about our art
Dangerous<33: Saying SPB is a secret bro club is not good. I haven't heard someone say anything that since I first met ZeroRed and he was telling off a bunch of new users we got so I told him to shut the fuck up.
Dangerous<33: *anything like that
Dangerous<33: It's a community, we have to be open to progression, advancement, and new users, which is ironic because he's saying we have to advertise yet also saying that the community is just a bunch of friends drawing every 20 minutes
Dangerous<33: And he's jumping to conclusions just as much as Swordkill too, by assuming that I don't think SPB is dying. I know SPB is dying just as well as anybody does.
Dangerous<33: The point is, they're both talking about me like I don't understand, but the thing is, I probably know and understand more about SPB than they do because they haven't been regular users for like 3-4 years
Your chat with Dangerous<33 is now a multi-user chat.
Bulet: I get what you're saying
Bulet: This is one of those arguements where both sides have good points
Bulet: He won't talk
Bulet: Fuck
Dangerous<33: It's fine, I'm going to reply on SPB
Spawner entered chat.
Bulet: Oh hey
Spawner: Chat alerts need to be more in your face.
Bulet: I know right
Bulet: So let's disscuss this
Dangerous<33: fff I'm already like half way through the post
Bulet: Shackles thinks Spawner is full of shit
Bulet: Alright post it anyway
Spawner: He's entitled to his own opinion
Spawner: Just posted in the 2007 thread, by the way
Dangerous<33: I'm not trying to say you guys aren't entitled to your own opinions, by the way, I just disagree with them
Spawner: That's fine. We ain't gonna agree on everything
Spawner: Virus is drawing the next one.
Bulet: Hey so are we going to disscuss this
Bulet: We need more advertising y/n
Dangerous<33: We do advertise, it just doesn't work all the time
Spawner: Do it more. Like I said in my post, SPB in a great idea, with the 2007 thread, no one has to be all "OOH BUT I CAN'T DRAW"
Spawner: In the 2007 thread, that's the point.
Spawner: I'm sure if I went through my friends list I could find a bunch of people who are interested. ElveUK signed up just because I mentioned the concept.
Spawner: I read somewhere that you're not adverising until you get a .com? IMO, that's dumb, someone said advertising a proboards is dumb
Spawner: not advertising is dumb if you ask me, since that thread hasn't had a post in two bloody months, it doesn't look like it's gonna happen
Spawner: Without more members it would be like moving from the basement to the shed.
Dangerous<33: I never said we weren't advertising until we got an official website. I don't know who said that, but that is bullshi
Dangerous<33: *bullshit
Spawner: It was destructin
Dangerous<33: That's odd, because Destructin is still making the most effort out of anyone to advertise SPB
Spawner: We're on steam, I'm sure we've all got a bunch of friends you've made from playing game and stuff, it can be as simple as just linking them to the 2007 thread and they'll probably like what they see
Dangerous<33: Also, if someone goes to SPB and is too intimidated by drawing, then that's their issue. We have threads in the introduction section like "To the new guys that are disappointed in their art" thread where tons of good artists posted all their crappy old works. If we just draw everyone in and go "OH JUST POST IN THIS THREAD AND NEVER PUT ANY EFFORT OR TRY TO IMPROVE YOU DRAWING" then we are being completely counter-productive
Spawner: What is productive?
Dangerous<33: Getting a decent community back up and running and getting people to come on and participate and aspire to improve as artists?
Spawner: That's more like it.
Dangerous<33: Why are you guys so afraid of improvement? If you draw, and you're on the internet, you will ALWAYS see people who are better than you at drawing. TONS of people. SPB should not be some secluded place to hide from the rest of the internet and deny that there are good artists out there.
Spawner: Back up and running and a decent community is more important to me than being a better artist
Dangerous<33: I'm not saying they need to be good artists, I'm saying that they should try to improve.
Spawner: It's not that I'm afraid of improvement, it's that I just want to have fun. To me, the 2007 is fun BECAUSE it's not serious.
Spawner: It's just a bunch of laughs, the bad art makes it fun, and I laugh out loud every time I go through it
Spawner: In my opinion, seeing a serious thread with everyone drawing to the best of their ability is awesome to see, but not as enterataining.
Spawner: I thought we were all here to have fun, not so we could all become [famous artist]
Spawner: If my art improves, it just gets better as it goes along, I've never tried to outdo my last picture every time, I just want some fun. I mean, really, the only things that have been drawn at all lately are in the 2007 thread. Nothing else is going on anywhere.
Spawner: No one seems to care, either.
Spawner: You get like a couple of posts a day, most, if not all in the random thread, and no drawings
Dangerous<33: It doesn't need to be serious. City-Wide is one of the only serious threads we've had in a long time. Most of them are people just drawing and doing completely random things that don't have some direct purpose. You guys are trying to center the community around your personal preferences and trying to push this message that you should never strive to be better. We're not trying to become famous artists. We're just trying to encourage new artists to try and become better so they can feel better about their own art. You dudes are a perfect example of why we should push that mentality, because since you refuse to try and improve, this leaves you feeling intimidated by other artists so you hide away in threads like the 2007 thread where nobody will have anything that challenges your artistic ability.
Spawner: Come to think of it, we've been going downhill for years now, when I left no one draw, even less now.
Spawner: You misunderstand, I'm not pushing the message "don't get better" I'm pushing the message "Just draw something god damnit, it doesn't have to be good as long as you do something"
Spawner: I simply don't care for improving my artistic ability. It's not that I'm afraid of getting better, or that I refuse, it's simply that I don't care about how good your art is, at all, really. As long as you draw and pictures are going back and forth and we're all having a good time, I couldn't care less about how pretty your shit is to look at
Dangerous<33: But that message alone is saying that people should just not try with it and do something. I know you guys think the old SPB way was "OH JUST POST SOMETHING AS FAST AS YOU CAN DON'T BOTHER PUTTING EFFORT OR TIME INTO IT" but that's simply not true. If everybody back then just put minimal time and effort into their drawings, then how come most of those people ended up becoming great artists by now? They were trying just as hard back then to be good as they are today. Don't act like you 'don't care' about artistic ability, because in your SPB post you mentioned one of the reasons for just going to the 2007 thread is so that nobody will be intimidated by better artists.
Spawner: Virus wants in the chat, that cool?
Dangerous<33: Yeah sure
Deadly Virus entered chat.
Spawner: Virus brought up a good point, #
Deadly Virus: Right so
Spawner: 22:53 - Deadly Virus: That's never been my intention, I just dont see any motivation to post in the other threads
Deadly Virus: I'll continue with this here
Spawner: What's the motivation? It's not to get better at drawing, not for me, I just want to have a good time
Deadly Virus: I can't easily jump into the city-wide apocalypse thread for example, there's a very established story and it's hard for a newcomer to find a place in it
Deadly Virus: I totally would post in more serious threads since I have some cool ideas for my characters, but there's very little opportunity
Bulet: How I see it is that City Wide is for the good artists, and the rest of us flock to 2007
Bulet: I personally, I admit, am afraid of people having higher skill than me
Bulet: I'm not ashamed, I know that many of the people on this site are better
Bulet: And I don't cope well with that fact, I don't like going among you guys and posting my mediocre art in your good art threads
Dangerous<33: There's like 5 groups of people running around doing crap. Just join in. The only place I have reserved is the church which is about to collapse anyways. Also, DJGrandpa and Nitroexplosion are both in there. Do you guys have any idea how many people have given those guys shit over their art? But they just keep trucking and join in on things because they want to have fun with the community, not with their 3 other friends.
Deadly Virus: I'm not worried about my art tbh
Bulet: I don't know how well the community will recive me
Bulet: For example MVG is an ass he wouldn't like me joining him at all
Deadly Virus: I used to bitch about it all the time but I've moved on. As long as I can convey my ideas properly I'm fine with it
Bulet: Who else is there
Deadly Virus: Besides, the fact that the city-wide apocalypse is the ONLY serious thread going at the moment isn't very encouraging
Bulet: The church, MVG/balto and that's basicly it
Spawner: Sorry, have fun with the community and not with my 3 other friends? Look, no offence, but what community? Posting in City-Wide is pretty much have fun with 5 other people
Spawner: You can all post in 2007 too, it's not like you're banned
Spawner: It's scriptless fighting with crappy art and lolz.
Dangerous<33: DJGrandpa, Balto, Ruby, Nitro, AveragePony, Icebrigade, Ken (Ken would actually like to have someone interact with him in that thread), and most people in there have multiple characters as well.
Deadly Virus: What's with all this "us vs them" mentality anyway?
Dangerous<33: Also Spud had a couple characters in there but they're not around
Bulet: Are you joking Shackles
Bulet: You can just cross out:
Bulet: Ruby, Balto, AP, I don't know if Ice posts shit
Bulet: There's Kryten but he's not in the zone it seems
Bulet: I know it sounds hypocritical, but they just aren't posting there
Dangerous<33: Ice, AP, and Kryten would all most likely reply if you did something to interact with them
Spawner: How far apart are posts?
Dangerous<33: Ruby and Balto? Probably not
Dangerous<33: A while, but that's because people are making long comics and it's story-driven. Not everything can fit into your tight drawing schedule of 15-20 minutes.
Deadly Virus: I don't understand the hostility here. It's not like we're against putting effort into our work
Bulet: Virus it seems that Spawner is
Bulet: In a way
Deadly Virus: Yeah well, I'm not :c
Spawner: In my MFW MSPB I drew some stuff
Deadly Virus: I'd love to get back into serious brawling again, it's just there's not really many options here
Bulet: Let's just tackle the question here
Bulet: Why don't we all post in City Wide
Bulet: I'm asking Spawner and Virus
Deadly Virus: Sure
Bulet: No
Deadly Virus: I'm not giving up on '07 though
Bulet: I'm asking WHY
Spawner: My reason for not doing my best is simple, I've said it a bunch of times. Less effort = more pictures = faster paced = more fun because shit actually happens + it's un-serious = more laughs
Spawner: I enjoy it more
Bulet: Right so Spawner doesn't like Story-Driven, Dramatic, etc
Bulet: Alright, understandable
Bulet: Virus
Bulet: Oh well Virus is a lazy ass I don't even have to as
Bulet: k
Spawner: Virus knows I like dramatic story-driven.
Spawner: I never said I didn't like those things, stop putting words into my mouth.
Bulet: But you don't like putting effort and time into drawings?
Spawner: Not that I don't like it, it's that I don't want to
Dangerous<33: I seriously think you guys have a skewed opinion of the funniness of the 2007 thread because you guys are involved in it. You guys don't find the City-Wide thread entertaining but I think it's amazing with what it has.
Spawner: Because it's just not as fun as posting in 2007.
Bulet: I don't find 2007 fun at all personaly
Bulet: Fast paced shitty drawings, to me, aren't fun
Spawner: And that's fine, Shackles. But I'm going to contnue doing what I like
Spawner: And if you hate me posting in just 2007, well, tough.
Bulet: I don't hate that, I'm just saying that I don't like it
Spawner: It's what I enjoy, so it's what I'll do.
Bulet: I don't like posting in it
Bulet: I used to
Bulet: But posting in there I feel like part of the problem
Bulet: + I don't find it fun
Spawner: Fine by me. I've been away for several YEARS. I came back to have a bit of fun scribblin' some shit and fighting with my friends
Spawner: At least I'm posting, right?
Spawner: Some activity, for a change
Dangerous<33: I'm not saying you shouldn't do what you enjoy, I've said countless times that you guys should draw how you want, but you seem to just be going into the 2007 thread to better artists can't run in there and ruin all the fun for you or anything. I've seen like 15-20 people posting over and over about all this OH SPB IS SO DEAD, REMEMBER HOW GOOD IT WAS IN THE OLD DAYS???!! and it's getting old. Everybody knows SPB is dead. the 2007 thread is not reviving it in any way.
Spawner: I could just as easily go away for another 3 years, but without some fresh meat I doubt anyone will be here in 3 more years
Deadly Virus: We're not saying it is, man
Deadly Virus: We're just having a bit of fun, leave us be
Bulet: Have your fun, but don't call it dead and try to revive it with 2007, it's not working
Spawner: Why do you think I have a reason behind everything I say or do? I keep saying this
Spawner: I post in 2007 because I think it's fun
Spawner: THat's it
Spawner: Not because I want to go LOL SPB IS DED
Spawner: Or because I want to go FUCK YOU BETTER ARTISTS
Dangerous<33: You guys act like I'm the one running in and kicking the shit out of your little parade. I'm not going to push to have the 2007 thread locked. I am just posting in the MFW MSPB thread because this nostalgic bullshit is retarded. I didn't invite you guys to this chat to say I didn't like the 2007 thread, I'm not PMing you saying OH YOU'RE FAGGOTS POSTING IN 2007 THREAD MURRDURR
Deadly Virus: Then whats the point?
Spawner: Then what ARE you saying?
Bulet: Nostalgic Bullshit is retarded
Bulet: Don't talk about the site being dead
Bulet: And "reviving" it with something that doesn't help
Spawner: Nostalgia is all we have left unless you gets get in some fresh meat.
Spawner: I aint posting to revive SPB
Spawner: I'm posting because I like it.
Bulet: Really how do we get more people
Dangerous<33: Because, even if you aren't intentionally doing so, you dudes are giving off a serious vibe of trying to get everyone to do "no effort + little time" drawings and get any new users to go into the 2007 thread and learn the same habits.
Deadly Virus: But I'm not |:c
Spawner: I'd LIKE to revive SPB, but it doesn't like anyone is going to put in the effort
Bulet: I will put in the effort, Shackles wiill
Deadly Virus: I dont give a shit what new users do, 2007 is just our little thread for pure unscripted brawl fun
Bulet: Anyone who cares will
Bulet: Then Virus you're part of the problem
Spawner: Right so, I'm giving off a vibe of no-effort = good
Spawner: Well
Deadly Virus: I'll put in the effort to revive it, but we need a conscious effort from EVERYONE
Spawner: Well shit
Spawner: That's just unlucky for you
Spawner: Because I don't care. I will continue to post there and have fun doing it, if other people come along and post there too, brilliant. It means activity
Spawner: Something actually fucking happening
Bulet: Any activity at all = Good
Spawner: Yes
Bulet: We don't want the 2007 to become SPB
Dangerous<33: I want to revive SPB too, but these dumb nostalgic posts and stuff that SK is starting is so useless, and SPB IS an art community. We don't judge people for having issues with art, we don't put them down if we don't think they're good at drawing, we just want to give people encouragement to try.
Spawner: I mean goddamn. You guys have friends, right?
Spawner: Go tell them about it
Dangerous<33: Also, I did invite a friend from school, meepmeep26.
Bulet: We are Spawner
Bulet: I invited some of my Steam Friends
Spawner: I guess we're all here for different reason
Deadly Virus: Look, I just dont get the point of the drama
Bulet: We're trying to make this place better for everyone
Deadly Virus: I've seen too much of it at this point, we dont need to fling shit at eachother just cause of different opinions
Bulet: And you two are going "but we dont care"
Spawner: You say it's an art communtiy, maybe it is, but I'm not going to post some really nice art and challange myself and get better because of what SPB IS.
Deadly Virus: I DO care
Spawner: I'll do what I enjoy doing
Bulet: Bullshit Virus I've known you for so long I know you're not going to do shit about helping the site out
Spawner: If that's so bad then I might as well just act how I have the past 3 years and not give a fuck
Deadly Virus: Well what are you going to do?
Bulet: I'm going to go around and spread the word of the site
Bulet: I'm going to clean the forums up, so that when people come here they don't see bad drawings everywhere
Bulet: I'm going to TRY, which is something i don't think you will do at all Virus
Deadly Virus: Wtf are you talking about bulet :/
Deadly Virus: Why is everyone taking this so seriously?
Bulet: Let's be honest here virus do you expect me to belive you're going to help us out with t his
Deadly Virus: Its SPB for fuck sake
Bulet: Yes and we care about SPB
Deadly Virus: I'll put in the effort to draw and participate
Dangerous<33: Alright, then we're on the same page I suppose. I just don't want everyone to make an effort to get new users but then they never aspire to be better artists by picking up on the idea that you should post quickly and with minimal effort, but then be met with confusion when they see people spending weeks on 30-panel drawings with tons of detail and fullbodies everywhere.
Deadly Virus: Can't we have both?
Bulet: Shackles that's why I said clean up the forums
Bulet: In it's current state it will send a bad message
Spawner: They need to be doing SOMETHING. Can't we just have both?
Deadly Virus: I hope that doesnt mean deleting 2007, Bulet
Bulet: No
Bulet: Maybe
Spawner: You're making it sound like a complete reboot, Bulet
Spawner: Just be careful with what you clean up
Spawner: Lot's of memories lying around here
Bulet: I'm aiming at a complete reboot
Dangerous<33: You guys can have the 2007 thread. I don't like the thread, but I would never lock or delete it assuming I even had the power to.
Bulet: We will preserve the memories
Bulet: But make this place last
Deadly Virus: Just saying, this kind of thing never works
Deadly Virus: You'll end up killing the site if you start trying to force this super serious thing
Bulet: I want to see this place alive and some children still drawing in 2020
Spawner: Maybe you could make a sub-forum inside each forum and move all the old topics into the sub forum called "Pre-2012" or something
Spawner: All the memories are still there, and everything's clean and out of the way
Bulet: Hold up
Bulet: Now that we're all on the same page, we need to start thinking together on how to make this place better
Bulet: For that we need more people
Deadly Virus: Mmhm
Bulet: And Balto
Bulet: And some Mods n shit
Spawner: Does Balto still get on?
Bulet: never
Deadly Virus: I still think we need to get our current members involved more first
Bulet: He's a lazy ponyprick
Deadly Virus: Quality over quantity, as always
Bulet: Balance the two
Spawner: Perhaps for progress to be made, Balto needs to pass the torch to someone new.
Bulet: Yes
Bulet: I vote for Shackles
Spawner: Or at least give someone responsible the ability to manage the forums
Bulet: Shackles is hands down the person that cares the most about this place
Bulet: At the very least make Shackles a mod, if not Admin
Dangerous<33: I don't want to be a mod
Dangerous<33: or an admin
Spawner: I can't really say anything, I've been away for years, but I'm pretty sure he won't vandalise and delete everything.
Bulet: Why
Dangerous<33: Because, I like arguing with people, and I feel like people will be afraid of disagreeing with me or telling me off if I have a position of authority
Bulet: Yeah Shackles is a bro he wouldn't do anything wrong
Bulet: No no no no no
Bulet: You're getting this wrong
Spawner: Anyone got experiance in community and forum managment here?
Bulet: Not as a person of authority
Spawner: I do, but I don't think I'm the man for the job
Bulet: A person that has the power to edit the forums
Bulet: Spawner was a mod, IIRC
Dangerous<33: We have an official site, it just doesn't have the forum implemented yet
Spawner: I do a bunch of forum editing for Dorpz
Bulet: Let's implement that shit and get a clean slate
Spawner: He keeps screwing up and I fix everything
Bulet: A clean slate guys
Dangerous<33: superpaintbrawl.com/
Bulet: Who here can copy paste a forum code
Deadly Virus: I'll participate in this thing as long as you guys dont start power-tripping and deleting everything you dont like
Bulet: ban
Spawner: I agree with virus.
Bulet: ban
Spawner: We've seen this before.
Bulet: Hey Candybiu is a reg too right
Bulet: We should let him in on this imo
Spawner: Communties died because bad changes were made and the owners stopping giving a fuck.
Spawner: If we're gonna make changes, for fucks sake make sure everyone gets a say
Dangerous<33: Candy doesn't come around all that much
Dangerous<33: well, for 3D modeling and stuff, but not to actually participate in the community
Spawner: Virus knows this very well. If we don't get a say shit'll get fucked up
Bulet: We're all on the same level here
Bulet: A mod is not a cop here
Bulet: A mod is a trusted person who can manipulate the forums when needed
Bulet: Not by his own will
Bulet: Power trips and positions are something we don't have to worry about for now
Spawner: I can do that if you need me to.
Dangerous<33: The only mod we've really had that power-trips is Grimscott, honestly
Bulet: grim sux
Bulet: I'd demod her
Bulet: Because she does jack shit
Deadly Virus: Yeah, but shit can easily hit the fan in communities like these
Bulet: Mod Spawner, mod Shackles if he wants to
Bulet: How so, Virus
Deadly Virus: There's something about small, close-knit forums and communities that just make them breeding grounds for drama
Spawner: If we fuck up at this point, might as well pack your things and go. These changes we push will be crutial.
Dangerous<33: But Destructin feels like people will be intimidated if he gets into huge arguments with them so he seriously holds himself back, which is why I don't want to be a mod in anything
Deadly Virus: Spawner knows what I mean, Cheesecake is one example
Bulet: Does destructin have a steam
Bulet: Invite him
Dangerous<33: Also, I'm a huge source of drama because I like to argue a lot. I do it a lot even on large forums
Spawner: I've admin'd a bucketload of communities, I know how to handle these things, but I'm out of touch with SPB.
Dessy [AFEG] entered chat.
Bulet: Hey Des
Deadly Virus: Sup
Dessy [AFEG]: Hello
Dessy [AFEG]: i am des
Bulet: Someone wanna fill in Des on what's going on
Spawner: How to cover all this in a few sentences
Spawner: Uh
Bulet: uh we want to revive brawl, but really this time
Bulet: like clean shit up
Dessy [AFEG]: Again?
Bulet: demod people mod new people
Bulet: Get in touch with Balto to give someone Admin because Balto does jack shit
Bulet: Finish up the forums on the website
Bulet: Invite lots of new people
Dessy [AFEG] disconnected.
Bulet: Fffffffffffffffffffffff
Deadly Virus: If we're gonna do this thing, we need to actually put in the EFFORT and draw shit REGULARLY
Dangerous<33: His internet cut off
Spawner: SPB is starving, it hungers for fresh meat. Gonna push a reboot, clean up the forums. I'd suggest moving all the told topics into a sub-forum within each forum and starting anew. Then we can all repost our rosters and we can see who's really still around.
Spawner: Well.
Bulet: rofl
Spawner: Destructin doesn't give a fuck.
Dangerous<33: No, his internet cut off
Deadly Virus: I was a member and former admin/mod of another forum you guys dont know about
Dangerous<33: I was in a skype call with him and he disconnected from skype
Bulet: Oh
Deadly Virus: Like SPB, I kinda abandoned it after a while, but they tried to revive that place COUNTLESS times
Deadly Virus: Just ended up making them more dead than they were before
Bulet: The problem in the last few times we tried this
Bulet: Its the people wanted to revive it
Bulet: the people, not the king
Bulet: so we need a new king
Bulet: one of us
Spawner: It was kind of like hippies. "Let's do something, maaan"
Spawner: And then that's as far as it got
Bulet: Yeah
Bulet: To get this in gear we really need Balto
Bulet: And Grent
Bulet: Those 2 people
Bulet: Grent could use help with the site
Bulet: We should all help him as much as we can to finish the main forums so we can keep going
Spawner: My suggestions are as follows.
Make a sub forum within each forum called Pre-2012 or something, Move all the topics into these sub-forums so all of the forums are empty (with exeptions, keep city-wide and 2007 since they're still active.)
Spawner: New threads can then be made.
Deadly Virus: Yeah
Bulet: No no no
Bulet: Website
Spawner: It's a re-boot, but with all the ancient awesome intact.
Bulet: superpaintbrawl.com
Deadly Virus: It feels like SPB really needs some kind of wipe/reboot to kick itself back into gear
Spawner: Website will have the forus on them, will they not?
Bulet: Yes
Bulet: New forums
Deadly Virus: The site will come eventually, but we shouldnt sit on our ass and just wait for it to be finished
Bulet: Not a link to probords
Spawner: NEW forums you say.
Bulet: Yeah
Spawner: That means all of the old threads will be lost
Spawner: All 5 years of it.
Bulet: I don't have much experience but does it really require lots of coding
Bulet: Hhuh no we keep proboards as an "archive"
Bulet: Lock all threads or something, preserve what's here, and continue 2007/city wide in the new forums
Spawner: Are you sure that the old forums won't auto-delete once it gets no posts?
Dessy [AFEG] entered chat.
Spawner: I don't know about proboards, but freeforums does that.
Bulet: Iunno
Dessy [AFEG]: sorry
Bulet: What we should do now is uh
Dessy [AFEG]: power went out
Bulet: Copy paste this WHOLE CONVO
Bulet: onto the thread
Spawner: It happened to the first Johnsbuild forums. You remember, Virus?
Bulet: So people can catch up to this
Spawner: What thread?
Bulet: Shackles you want me to post errything?
Deadly Virus: Yeah spawner :c
Bulet: MFWMSPB
Spawner: I'll post all of my ideas in MFWMSPB once this convo is pasted
Bulet: Shack, paste this on?
Dangerous<33: uhh, I dunno
Spawner: Meanwhile, I'll finish the damn drawing I was doing with Virus
Bulet: We should, to get Des and Grent and Balto and whoever back into gear with us
Bulet: so we dont have to explain everytrhing we talked about
Bulet: I'm posting everything gogogo
Dessy [AFEG]: What are you guys trying to do?
Spawner: SPB is starving, it hungers for fresh meat. Gonna push a reboot, clean up the forums. I'd suggest moving all the told topics into a sub-forum within each forum and starting anew. Then we can all repost our rosters and we can see who's really still around.
Spawner: Basically
Spawner: Fixing SPB
Spawner: Giving it a good sweep and polish
Spawner: And then getting new members. For reals.

[Spawner]

Alright. These fixing SPB things have been done before, but it was more like a bunch of hippies going "We're gonna change things around here, maaaan" and that being as far as it got. Me and Virus have seen communities just plain die right in front of us more than once in more than one way. This time, we're actually gonna fucking do it. But it will mean some large changes. We're going to may sure everyone has their say on changes before they happen. Screwing up at this point would be catastrophic.

First, I'd say the forums need cleaning. A proper polish. My suggestion is to create a sub forum within each forum, and move every topic into their respective sub-forums. Call it "Pre-2012" or something. Then, all of the forums will be empty. A clean slate, but with all out history intact.
We can then repost our rosters and find out who really does get on.
We'll keep the City-Wide Apocalypse thread and 2007 thread because they're still active.

Bulet told me Balto doesn't get on anymore. Cause of community death #1 (John's Build Zone, Cheesecake Servers) the owner stopped caring. For those sub forums to be made, someone needs to edit the forums themselves, and I think only Balto can do this. If he doesn't get on anyone, he will have to pass the torch to someone else who can maintain the website. I have experience with this, but I don't know if I'd be the man from the job since I've been away for 3 years.

Maybe this won't matter if we can get this one superpaintbrawl.com/ I heard Grent is making this site, but it's been a WIP for years now. If Grent isn't going to make it, someone else will have to, if no one can, we'll have to stick to these forums (Could the forums be given a domain?). If we actually can get that website would, it would be incredible. Maybe even professional.

After everything is nice and clean, we'll need fresh meat. I'm sure you guys have friends. SPB is a great idea and lots of people would be interested in joining.

23:44 - Dorpz 178.239.166.41:27015: What community?
23:44 - Dorpz 178.239.166.41:27015: wait
23:45 - Spawner: Super Paint Brawl.
23:45 - Dorpz 178.239.166.41:27015: dorpz's world
23:45 - Dorpz 178.239.166.41:27015: Oh right
23:45 - Spawner: We're going to cleap up the forums and sweep all the shit under the rug
23:45 - Spawner: Pretty it all up
23:45 - Spawner: And get some new members.
23:45 - Dorpz 178.239.166.41:27015: Well if you need a new member.
23:45 - Dorpz 178.239.166.41:27015: I'm always up for some random time wasting

It's that simple.

Maybe we need fresh meat BEFORE getting the site all sexed up? I don't know, please reply with what you think.

This time, if we want this to work and you really don't want to see SPB die for good, you're going to have to get off your ass and help. Seriously this time.

[Icebrigade]

If the new site gets up, which I think would be pretty cool, we could perhaps (if the proboards forum remains) make a thread with a link to these forums here if we really wanted to have a little "vault of mementos" or some such.

On the issue with the whole 2007 thread and City Wide, I understand what shackles is getting at. For some new people (it does depend on what kind of person they are) posting only in the 2007 would be a subtle, unintentional message that bad art or not as good art or however-tame-you-want-to-be-art is the norm, which isn't exactly true.

Personally, I think we should encourage better art, and perhaps push it a little bit, but we shouldn't absolutely force people, otherwise they'll get the mindset that if you don't post good art everyone will hate you and think you're bad for posting bad art. Which isn't true, right?

To anyone posting only in the 2007 thread, I'd like you to at least try posting in City Wide (or other threads if they pop up) for a bit, if you feel too intimidated, or just don't find it fun, then you don't have to post there, I'd just like to see what you guys can do when you put a lot of time into it, or maybe I just mean I'd like to see what happens when you draw full-bodies, whichever applies.

As for me I want to post here a lot more as well, I think really the only thing I've actually done is a couple posts in City Wide and then 2 or so when I first joined in one week (give or take a couple grudge matches that never went anywhere.) I'll just have to get over that whole "Oh snap its a blank screen and it takes forever to draw no I can't do this" feeling and yada yada who wants to hear my problems blah blah

Perhaps we want to move this to a different thread? I mean this one can work but having a topic for planning about this might give people joining and seeing the site near dead hope that It might get going strong again. And while I've happened to say that in the last sentence, getting the site up and running strong again sounds fun, if all those old threads across the years that I spent like 3 whole days reading mean anything that is.

Seriously I read through like every one of those to get a nice feel for the place and it took a while I mean jeeze, this site's been around for a while and I'm sure if we got some nice system or organization or just some kind of [INSERT WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO HERE] we could get active in no time.


Oh, one last thing. If we do switch to the new site I suggest we do it before we get tons of members. A very long time ago I was part of a smallish forum that died when the owner had to change hosts. Everyone just left because they either couldn't get the new layout or just didn't feel like moving over, bad stuff.

[Balto-Boy]

Mar 16, 2012 18:58:05 GMT -5 Spawner said:

Bulet told me Balto doesn't get on anymore.

...that's not completely true... hehe... he... he

Mar 16, 2012 18:58:05 GMT -5 Spawner said:

First, I'd say the forums need cleaning. A proper polish. My suggestion is to create a sub forum within each forum, and move every topic into their respective sub-forums.

It looks like doing that is quite easy to pull off. I could do it in less than 10 minutes, and I'll go on and do it if everyone else thinks it's a good idea.

[SwordKill]

Shotgun being the new admin.
JK I'm fucking lazy. But seriously, admin pls.
All these plans seem great! Looks like we can get everything working. You gents definately have the experience to make it great again.

[Bulet]

Balto let's face it you alone (I'm not counting Des) can't run this as boss. I'm not saying you should commit to this place 100%, people have shit to do IRL, I understand that.

Please, for the sake of the site, pass the torch, make someone an admin, or try to cooperate with us on this. I'm not doing this because you're a bad admin or something, you're good, I just don't want to give you unnecessary stress and frustration with everyone coming to you asking "hey balto wat do we do".

We already have stuff planned out, so we're not, like Spawner said, some hippies on a "mission". Give us a chance, you won't regret it

[Deadly Virus]

Mar 16, 2012 21:30:33 GMT -5 Balto-Boy said:

Mar 16, 2012 18:58:05 GMT -5 Spawner said:

Bulet told me Balto doesn't get on anymore.

...that's not completely true... hehe... he... he

Mar 16, 2012 18:58:05 GMT -5 Spawner said:

First, I'd say the forums need cleaning. A proper polish. My suggestion is to create a sub forum within each forum, and move every topic into their respective sub-forums.

It looks like doing that is quite easy to pull off. I could do it in less than 10 minutes, and I'll go on and do it if everyone else thinks it's a good idea.

I'd say go ahead with it as soon as possible. This place needs a swift kick up the ass to get it back into gear, so the sooner we do something the better.

[firemario]

If you guys are able to scratch the session and start fresh, I'll be happy to come and join again. I won't attempt to make picasso levels of art, that just isn't my idea of fun when it comes to this sort of thing.

Perhaps we could have a subforum devoted to threads in the style of the 2007 Thread, just fast, sloppy, moronic fun.

[Shackles]

Mar 17, 2012 10:05:17 GMT -5 firemario said:

Perhaps we could have a subforum devoted to threads in the style of the 2007 Thread, just fast, sloppy, moronic fun.

That is kind of a terrible idea. Don't try to seperate people based on art skills and shit, that just creates a wall. People are free to draw however they want in Main Arena threads and Grudge Matches and suchlike, but doing anything that would discourage new artists from trying to improve is bad.

[firemario]

Mar 17, 2012 10:11:30 GMT -5 Shackles said:

Mar 17, 2012 10:05:17 GMT -5 firemario said:

Perhaps we could have a subforum devoted to threads in the style of the 2007 Thread, just fast, sloppy, moronic fun.

That is kind of a terrible idea. Don't try to seperate people based on art skills and shit, that just creates a wall. People are free to draw however they want in Main Arena threads and Grudge Matches and suchlike, but doing anything that would discourage new artists from trying to improve is bad.

I didn't mean split of artistic quality, more along the lines of speed of play.

People who are able to spend days working on a single picture to make sure it has total secksayness to it can have a subforum for long-term long-deadline fights, while people who just want to jump in for short interval update-heavy threads can peruse the other subforum.

I didn't mean to differentiate by artistic skill, just the overall speed of play.